Sunday, January 01, 2017

TATLONG PERSONA?

TATLONG PERSONA?

Posible nga bang ang Diyos ay binubuo ng tatlong persona?
Napakadami nilang naimbentong palusot ngayon, este
paliwanag sa kanilang 1 Diyos na may tatlong persona,
andyan yung kinumpara nila ang kanilang Diyos sa "TAO DAW"
na binubuo ng katawan, espirito at kaluluwa, andyan din yung
kinumpara nila ang kanilang Diyos sa 3 in 1 na kape na
binubuo ng creamer, asukal at kape. Naisip ko, may point
naman sila. Pero nag isip ako ng mas malalim, inanalize ko...
Ayon na rin sa bibliya, ang tao ay binubuo ng katawan,
espirito at kaluluwa:
"May the God of peace himself make you holy in every way.
And may your whole being—spirit, soul, and body—remain
blameless when our Lord Jesus, the Messiah, appears." 1
Thess 5:23
Kapag ang isa sa mga bumubuo sa tao ay wala o nawala,
hindi maaaring mabuhay ang tao, halimbawa may katawan at
espirito nga siya wala namang kaluluwa, wala rin yun:
"So, considering that Soul means breath - no, you could not
exist on Earth, or anywhere else for that matter, for very long."
"Without these forces of life, no, no-one could exist on earth.
So you can't exist without a spirit again."
source: answerbag.com  answerbag.com
Eh paano kung mawawala ang isa sa mga persona ng kanilang
Diyos, magiging DIYOS pa ba ang kanilang DIYOS?
Nung ipinako si Kristo, ano ang nangyari sa kaniya? Di bat
namatay? 2/3 days siyang namatay ngunit nabuhay naman
siyang mag uli. Tanong, paano kaya nag exist ang kanilang
Diyos nung mga panahong namatay o nawala ang isa sa mga
persona na bumubuo dito?
Eh kung hiwa hiwalay ang bumubuo sa kanilang Diyos,
magiging Diyos pa rin kaya ang kanilang Diyos?
"As soon as Jesus was baptized, he came up out of the water.
Then heaven opened, and he saw God’s Spirit coming down on
him like a dove. And a voice from heaven said, “This is my
Son, whom I love, and I am very pleased with him.” Matthew
3:16-17
Kung ating iintindihin ang mga verses, may tatlong binabanggit
dito: si Kristo, ang Ama, at ang espirito ng Diyos o ang espirito
santo. Ang Ama ay nasa LANGIT, ang espirito santo naman
BUMABABA GALING SA LANGIT at si Kristo naman nasa LUPA,
especificaly nasa ilog ng Jordan dahil kakabautismo lang sa
kaniya ni Juan Bautista (baka may pilosopo kasi dyan^^)
Tanong, paano kaya nag exist ang kanilang Diyos gayong hiwa
hiwalay ang kaniyang persona?
Paano kaya mag eexist ang tao kung nakahiwalay ang
katawan sa espirito at kaluluwa? Paano kaya mabubuo ang
masarap na kape kung magkakahiwalay ang creamer, kape at
asukal?
Nagets nyo ba ang punto ko?
Ngayon, ang tanong, eto bang Diyos na may tatlong persona
ang sinamba ng mga Hudyo sa OLD TESTAMENT? Eto bang
Diyos na may tatlong persona ang ang Diyos ni Kristo? Eto
bang Diyos na may tatlong persona ang Diyos na ipinangaral
ng mga Apostol?
Kung ang sagot ay hindi, saan naman kaya napulot o nakopya
ng mga nag imbento ng Trinity doctrine ang aral na ito?
Ano sa tingin niyo?
Ito kaya ay galing sa concept ng Trimurti ng mga Hindu?
The Trimurti (English: ‘three forms’; Sanskrit: त्रिमूर्तिः trimūrti)
is a concept in Hinduism "in which the cosmic functions of
creation, maintenance, and destruction are personified by the
forms of Brahmā the creator, Vishnu the maintainer or
preserver and Śhiva the destroyer or transformer," These three
deities have been called "the Hindu triad" or the "Great Trinity",
often addressed as "Brahma-Vishnu-Maheshwara."
source: wikipedia
Kung hindi sa Trimurti, saan kaya sa mga ito?
Three-headed deities
Further information: Polycephaly
In Hindu mythology, Trisiras and Dattatreya are explicitly
tricephalous deities, but other instances of three-headedness
are also found in Hindu iconography, for example in depictions
of goddess Durga.
The smaller Gallehus horn has a three-headed figure, holding
an axe in its right hand and a rope tethered to the leg of a
horned animal in the left.
The hound Cerberus in Greek mythology is often depicted with
three heads.
Geryon has been depicted as three-headed on the Herculean
Sarcophagus of Genzano currently held at the British Museum.
[34]
List of triple deities
Historical polytheism
The Classical Greek Olympic triad of Zeus (king of the gods),
Athena (goddess of war and intellect) and Apollo (god of the
sun, culture and music)[36][37]
The Delian chief triad of Leto (mother), Artemis (daughter) and
Apollo (son)[38][39] and second Delian triad of Athena, Zeus
and Hera[40]
The Olympian demiurgic triad in platonic philosophy, made up
of Zeus (considered the Zeus [king of the gods] of the
Heavens), Poseidon (Zeus of the seas) and Pluto (mythology)/
Hades (Zeus of the underworld), all considered in the end to
be a monad and the same Zeus, and the Titanic demiurgic triad
of Helios (sun when in the sky), Apollo (sun seen in our world)
and Dionysus (god of mysteries, "sun" of the underworld) (as
can be seen on Plato's Phaed on the myth Dionysus and the
Titans)[41]
In ancient Egypt there were many triads:
Osiris (husband), Isis (wife), and Horus (son),[42]
the Theban triad of Amun, Mut and Khonsu
the Memphite triad of Ptah, Sekhmet and Nefertem
the Elephantine triad of Khnum (god of the source of the Nile
river), Satet (the personification of the floods of the Nile river),
and Anuket (the Goddess of the nile river).
the sungod Ra, whose form in the morning was Kheper, at
noon Re-Horakhty and in the evening Atum, and many others.
[43]
The Hellenistic Egypt triad of Isis, Alexandrian Serapis and
Harpocrates (a Hellenized version of the already referred Isis-
Osiris-Horus triad), though in the early Ptolemaic period
Serapis, Isis and Apollo (who was though sometimes identified
with Horus) were preferred[44]
The Roman Capitoline Triad of Jupiter (father), Juno (wife), and
Minerva (daughter)
The Roman pleibian triad of Ceres, Liber Pater and Libera (or
its Greek counterpart with Demeter, Dionysos and Kore)
The Julian triads of the early Roman Principate:
Venus Genetrix, Divus Iulius, and Clementia Caesaris
Divus Iulius, Divi filius and Genius Augusti
Eastern variants of the Julian triad, e.g. in Asia Minor: Dea
Roma, Divus Iulius and Genius Augusti (or Divi filius)
The Matres (Deae Matres/Dea Matrona) in Roman mythology
The Fates, Moirai or Furies in Greek and Roman mythology:
Clotho or Nona the Spinner, Lachesis or Decima the Weaver,
and Atropos or Morta the Cutter of the Threads of Life. One's
Lifeline was Spun by Clotho, Woven into the tapestry of Life by
Lachesis, and the thread Cut by Atropos.
The Hooded Spirits or Genii Cucullati in Gallo-Roman times
The main supranational triad of the ancient Lusitanian
mythology and religion and Portuguese neo-pagans made up
of the couple Arentia and Arentius and Quangeius and
Trebaruna, followed by a minor Gallaecian-Lusitanian triad of
Bandua (under many natures), Nabia and Reve female nature:
Reva[45]
The sisters Uksáhkká, Juksáhkká and Sáhráhkká in Sámi
mythology.
The triad of Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat in the time of
Mohammed (Holy Qu'ran (Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation), Surah
53:19-22)
Lugus (Esus, Toutatis and Taranis) in Celtic mythology
Odin, Vili and Ve in Norse mythology
The Norns in Norse mythology
The Triglav in Slavic mythology
Perkūnas (god of heaven), Patrimpas (god of earth) and
Pikuolis (god of death) in Prussian mythology
The Zorya or Auroras in Slavic mythology
The Charites or Graces in Greek mythology
The One, the Thought (or Intellect) and the Soul in
Neoplatonism
Eastern religions
Lord Dattatreya
The Saha Realm Trinity in Mahayana Buddhism (Shakyamuni,
Avalokitesvara and Ksitigarbha)
Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva (Trimurti) in Puranic Hinduism
Mitra, Indra, and Varuna in early vedic Hinduism
Shakti, Lakshmi, and Saraswati (Tridevi) in Puranic Hinduism
The Three Pure Ones in Taoism
The Fu Lu Shou in Taoism
Ayyavazhi Trinity
New religious movements
The Triple Goddess in Wicca
Nuit, Hadit and Ra Hoor Khuit in the Thelemic spiritual system
source: wikipedia
Napakadami pa lang pagpipilian, at kung mapapansin natin,
lahat ng relihiyon pala na may pinaniniwalaang Diyos na 3 in 1
o 3 Diyos ay mga PAGANO, bago pa pala mag exist ang
Kristiyanismo ay marami nang mga 3 in 1 o 3 na mga Diyos
ang mga tao (na pagano), diba meron ding ganyan sa
Kristyanismo? Diyos Ama, Diyos Anak at Diyos Espirito Santo.
Baka naman sabihin ng ilan, WALA SA MGA YAN, IMPOSSIBLE
YAN, MALABO YAN!
Talaga?
O sige, pagbigyan na natin, sabihin na nating wala diyan sa
napakaraming choices ng origin ng trinity na yan, ano kaya ang
pinaka possibleng PINAGMULAN ng imbentong aral na ito?
Sagot: Hellenization.
Ano ang Hellenization?
"Hellenization (or Hellenisation) is the historical spread of
ancient Greek culture or Hellenistic civilization, and, to a lesser
extent, language, over foreign peoples conquered by Greece or
in its sphere of influence, particularly during the Hellenistic
period following the campaigns of Alexander the Great of
Macedon. The result of Hellenization was that elements of
Greek origin combined in various forms and degrees with local
elements."
source: wikipedia
Ilan ba ang Diyos ng mga Griyego?
Naku, alam na natin ang sagot dyan! Napakadami! Sila bay
PAGANO RIN? OO naman!
Ano naman ang kinalaman ng Hellenization sa pag imbento ng
Trinity doctrine?
"Hellenistic thinkers, who influenced Christian theologians, had
already been attracted by the emphasis in later Judaism on
monotheism and transcendence. This tendency was sketched
out earlier in Plato and later Stoicism, but it came to its mature
development in Neoplatonism in the 3rd century A.D. In the first
century Philo of Alexandria had interpreted the old testament
concept of God in terms of the logos idea of Hellenistic
philosophy, but this Hellenization led to a characteristic tension
that was to dominate the entire further history of ideas."
Encyclopedia
"During the 19th century, protestant historians, notably F.C
Baur and Adolf von Harnack, sought to show that the Trinity
was a result of "Hellenization of the gospel" while Friedrich
Schleiermacher declared that a species of modalism was the
only meaningful version of the doctrine." Encyclopedia
"Initially, both the requirements of the monotheism inherited
from the Old Testament and the implications of the need to
interpret biblical teaching to Greco-Roman paganism seemed to
demand that the divine Christ as the Word or Logos be seen
as subordinate to the Supreme Deity. An alternate solution
was to interpret the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as three
modes of the self-disclosure one God, but not as distinct within
the being of God itself." Encyclopedia
“It was when Christianity spread out into pagan world that the
idea of Jesus as a savior God emerged.” The meaning of the
dead Sea scrolls
Ibalik natin ang tanong kanina, ano ba ang Diyos na sinasamba
ng mga Hudyo dati at magpa hanggang ngayon?
The conception of God in Judaism is strictly monotheistic. God
is an absolute one indivisible incomparable being who is the
ultimate cause of all existence. Jewish tradition teaches that
the true aspect of God is incomprehensible and unknowable,
and that it is only God's revealed aspect that brought the
universe into existence, and interacts with mankind and the
world. In Judaism, the one God of Israel is the God of
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who is the guide of the world,
delivered Israel from slavery in Egypt, and gave them the 613
Mitzvot at Mount Sinai as described in the Torah. He also
gave the Seven Laws of Noah to all human-kind.
source: wikipedia
Kung ang kinikilalang Diyos ng mga Hudyo ay hindi lang basta
isa kundi IISA LANG at ito nga ay ang AMA, bakit hindi sila
sinaway ng Diyos at bakit hindi man lang itinuro ng Diyos kay
Abraham, Isaac at Jacob na siya ay hindi IISA LANG kundi may
tatlong persona?
Bakit sinasabi lagi sa kanila ng Diyos na walang ibang Diyos
maliban sa kaniya at wala siyang nakikilalang ibang Diyos?
“I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no
God I will gird you, though you have not known Me; That men
may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there
is no one besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other,”
Isa. 45:5-6
“Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and
there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me,” Isa.
46:9
“You are My witnesses," declares the LORD," And My servant
whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He Before Me there was no God
formed, And there will be none after Me.” Isa. 43:10
“Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult
together Who has announced this from of old? Who has long
since declared it? Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other
God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none
except Me.” Isa. 45:21
Eh di ba sabi nila, nag e-exist na si Kristo kasama ng Diyos
pati ng Holy Spirit simula pa noong lalangin ang mundo? Eh
bakit hindi man lang sinabi ng Diyos na meron din Diyos Anak
at Diyos Espirito Santo para naman naging TAMA man kung
saka sakali ang paniniwala nila Abraham at ang mga hudyo
tungkol sa TUNAY NA DIYOS? Bakit naman kine-claim ng Diyos
Ama na SIYA LANG ANG DIYOS AT WALA NG IBA?
Sabi pa niya, " Before Me there was no God formed, And there
will be none after Me." eh paano na si Kristo at ang Espirito
Santo, akala ko ba silay mga Diyos din?
At bakit ba kasi hindi tinuro ni Kristo ang tungkol sa Trinity?
Bakit niya sinabi na siya’y ANAK NG DIYOS at hindi DIYOS na
isa sa mga persona ng Trinity? Bakit niya sinabi na IISA
LAMANG ANG DIYOS, at ito’y walang iba kundi ang AMA na
nasa langit? Bakit si Kristo na Diyos daw ay may Diyos din?
Sana, itong mga tanong na ito ay makatulong sa pagbukas ng
inyong isipan at makatulong sa pagsusuri sa tunay na mga
aral na nasa bibliya. Hangad ko na mahanap nyo ang
katotohanan lalot napakahalaga na ALAM NATIN at KILALA
NATIN ang sinasamba nating Diyos at kung sino ang TUNAY na
DIYOS, baka hindi natin alam na ang Diyos palang sinasamba,
at kinikilala natin ay MALING DIYOS, nakikitulad tayo sa mga
pagano na MARAMI at may IBAT IBANG MGA DIYOS.


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